My thoughts on Obamacare

[valvalentino]

Let's sum it up this way.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs

[dtothelux]

I only have two things to say, great movie and pathetic legislation.

[hasset]

ObamaCare is nothing more than HitlerCare

This is a frightening video! It came from Theo Spark's interview with Betsy McCaughey

Video: Betsy McCaughey Exposes Obama's Healthcare Lies
www.theospark.net/2009/07/video-betsy-mccaughey-exposes-obama.html

Betsy McCaughey had the patience to plow through the whole healthcare bill and she speaks on how half of healthcare will be paid for with the benefits taken away from the sick or elderly.

Rahm Emanuel's brother is a doctor named Ezekiel Emanuel who said "It is essentially a waste of time and money to invest in healthcare for the elderly." The Emanuels are Jewish and I would think they would really know the pain and suffering that Hitler caused to their people. I guess not. They must not be human but real devils and made of the same slime that Hitler was made of.

Betsy McCaughey is the one who exposed Hillary's healthcare package back in 1993/94. She has the patience to read every word but I don't think most people would.

I can not imagine not trying to help my ill parents or a child that was born with medical problems. The Bible says to honor your father and mother and to be loving. I suppose the next thing Obamacare will offer is euthanasia and after that it will be FORCED euthanasia. Adolf Hitler does live today and I think there are a lot of Hitlers in this world.

[hasset]

This gives me hope!

Monday, Jul 27, 2009
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3984752

Perry raises possibility of states' rights showdown with White House over healthcare By DAVE MONTGOMERY [e-mail]

Wouldn't it be great if we could get out of O'BummerCare by declaring states rights under the 10th amendment which says: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." If Texas does it, I bet a lot of the other states will also do it. I will definitely follow this story and I hope Gov. Rick Perry does do this if the DumboCare bill should happen to pass.

[mndapa1]

There are five main reasons to oppose Nationalised Health Care and here are the KEY issues.

1. Freedom to choose what's in your plan

Americans wouldn't even know what's in their plans and what they're required to pay for, directly or indirectly, until after the bills become law.

2. Freedom to be rewarded for healthy living, or pay your real costs

First, it forces young people, who typically have lower incomes than older workers, to pay far more than their actual cost, and gives older workers, who can afford to pay more, a big discount. The state laws gouging the young are a major reason so many of them have joined the ranks of uninsured.

Second, the bills would ban insurers from charging differing premiums based on the health of their customers. Again, that's understandable for folks with diabetes or cancer. But the bills would bar rewarding people who pursue a healthy lifestyle of exercise or a cholesterol-conscious diet. That's hardly a formula for lower costs.

3. Freedom to choose high-deductible coverage

That's what makes a market, and health care needs more of it, not less.

Hundreds of companies now offer Health Savings Accounts to about 5 million employees. Those workers deposit tax-free money in the accounts and get a matching contribution from their employer. They can use the funds to buy a high-deductible plan -- say for major medical costs over $12,000. Preventive care is reimbursed, but patients pay all other routine doctor visits and tests with their own money from the HSA account. As a result, HSA users are far more cost-conscious than customers who are reimbursed for the majority of their care.

I have this plan and it works, as my wife and I are in good health and dont need a lot of insurance at the present time. It has brought down oue insurance costs tremendously...and will be made extinct under the new health care plan.

4. Freedom to keep your existing plan

For the rest...The outlook is worse. It encompasses employees who aren't under ERISA but get actual insurance either on their own or through small businesses. After the legislation passes, all insurers that offer a wide range of plans to these employees will be forced to offer only "qualified" plans to new customers, via the exchanges.

The employees who got their coverage before the law goes into effect can keep their plans, but once again, there's a catch. If the plan changes in any way -- by altering co-pays, deductibles, or even switching coverage for this or that drug -- the employee must drop out and shop through the exchange. Since these plans generally change their policies every year, it's likely that millions of employees will lose their plans in 12 months.

5. Freedom to choose your doctors

The Senate bill requires that Americans buying through the exchanges -- and as we've seen, that will soon be most Americans -- must get their care through something called "medical home." Medical home is similar to an HMO. You're assigned a primary care doctor, and the doctor controls your access to specialists. The primary care physicians will decide which services, like MRIs and other diagnostic scans, are best for you, and will decide when you really need to see a cardiologists or orthopedists.

Under the proposals, the gatekeepers would theoretically guide patients to tests and treatments that have proved most cost-effective. The danger is that doctors will be financially rewarded for denying care, as were HMO physicians more than a decade ago. It was consumer outrage over despotic gatekeepers that made the HMOs so unpopular, and killed what was billed as the solution to America's health-care cost explosion.

The bills do not specifically rule out fee-for-service plans as options to be offered through the exchanges. But remember, those plans -- if they exist -- would be barred from charging sick or elderly patients more than young and healthy ones. So patients would be inclined to game the system, staying in the HMO while they're healthy and switching to fee-for-service when they become seriously ill. "That would kill fee-for-service in a hurry," says Goodman.

In reality, the flexible, employer-based plans that now dominate the landscape, and that Americans so cherish, could disappear far faster than the 5 year "grace period" that's barely being discussed.

Companies would have the option of paying an 8% payroll tax into a fund that pays for coverage for Americans who aren't covered by their employers. It won't happen right away -- large companies must wait a couple of years before they opt out. But it will happen, since it's likely that the tax will rise a lot more slowly than corporate health-care costs, especially since they'll be lobbying Washington to keep the tax under control in the righteous name of job creation.

The best solution is to move to a let-freedom-ring regime of high deductibles, no community rating, no standard benefits, and cross-state shopping for bargains (another market-based reform that's strictly taboo in the bills).

[knollwood]

Obamacare sucks! I just hope and pray this does not happen.

[hasset]

I think the blue dog Democrats are not conservative at all. A Democrat is a Democrat and none are conservative. They just like the attention they get for sounding like it, especially when looking for votes. They have fooled a lot of people. It sounds like the blue dogs taken to the woodshed a few days ago are going along with the other Democrats and we will get the HitlerCare bill. I wonder when the crematoriums will be built for us old people. Maybe a miracle will happen. I hope the states do stand up against this bill. It sounds like the revolution will be coming soon and I really do not see how the O'Bumbling idiot can keep on destroying us much longer. What is left to destroy?

news.google.com/news?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&q=Blue+Dog+Dems+Report+Card&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=k6lwSpr4E4rssQOg74T8CA&sa=X&oi=news_group&ct=title&resnum=1

[hasset]

Has anyone evaluated the Republican health care plan? I am sure anything is better than B.O's HitlerCare plan.

www.newsmax.com/headlines/house_GOP_health_bill/2009/07/29/241516.html

I am so happy with the Blue Cross/Blue Shield plan that I have right now that I do not want anything else. I do not like reading about health plans anyway. When my husband and I were old enough to get a Plan D to go along with medicare, we went to some classes on all the plans. It was awful trying to understand it all. I am not a detail person and I hope I don't have to go through all that stuff again.

[hasset]

(I can't stand to read this stuff. Can you?)

Here is the link to the 1,018 page document if anyone wants to read it.....
edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
It is so frightening what the bill says and what basic freedoms we will be giving up......I posted a few highlights below..
...If you don't like what you read....then....it is time for you to get in contact with your Representative s and Senators in Washington and at home.......let them know how you feel....they all want your vote more than anything...I feel strongly that we all need to fight this......we can stop it if everyone gets involved and speaks up.....
......again the link to the whole thousand page bill..
edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
This gives the government absolute power over your healthcare and how your healthcare dollars are spent (on other people).
Is this what you really want?
Be careful what you wish for.
Before you answer see pages 170, 195, 425 and 429

• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participat e in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government m andates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesn't have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treat ed as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (h ealthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.
An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
Wow! Talk about political paybacks.
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And these are just the highlights. Prepare for absolute government power over your healthcare.

[hasset]

Congressman John Fleming (Louisiana physician) has proposed an amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are curiously exempt). Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website and sign his petition (very simple - just first, last and email) and you can sign up for a newsletter about this too. fleming.house.gov/

Please urge as many people as you can to do the same! If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congressmen should have to accept the same level of health care for themselves and their families.

[hasset]

Medical Professionals Speak Out About Health Care Reform:


The allergists voted to scratch it, and the dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves.

The gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the neurologists thought the administration had a lot of nerve, and the obstetricians felt they were all laboring under a misconception.

The ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted; the pathologists yelled, "Over my dead body!" while the pediatricians said, 'Oh, Grow up!'

The psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, the radiologists could see right through it, and the surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing

The internists thought it was a bitter pill to swallow, and the plastic surgeons said, "This puts a whole new face on the matter."

The podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the urologists felt the scheme wouldn't hold water.

The anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas; and the cardiologists didn't have the heart to say no.

In the end, the proctologists just left the decision up to the fat-butts sitting on it in Washington.

[jesusfreak]

I think we are going to be in trouble and this garbage legislation is GOING to PASS when the August break is over for Congress.

Socialism=Forced Control