Want to bet they were illegals?

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online.wsj.com/article/SB124985899901417983.html

Now, from having grown up (however many eons ago that was) in the SouthWest I can tell you 2 simple facts you can always count on.

1) summers are hot as ------

2)any time they don't release a name, it's because they are illegals.

Wonder if chasing those illegals for a car jacking was worth the outcome? Must be a real shot for some cops ego, he caught them. (sorta) _ Happened in a sanctuary county, even if they did stop, the county wouldn't contact immigration.

High speed chases should be outlawed in all but the very most serious threats to the public. I don't know which is worse, the fact they chased them, or the fact they couldn't catch a dodge neon until it crashed. The tactic of following them forever at high speeds is, in my opinion, more of a threat to society than the crooks. But that is coming from a long time canyon racer - I seem to have outgrown that phase of life (I hope).

More of those necissary chases.
www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/08/09/2009-08-09_delivery_guy_killed_as_crook_flees_cops.html

www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_13017584
LOOKED like he was going to put it in gear, so he was murdered by SLC cops after a 30 mph(!!!!!) chase.

www.pe.com/ap_news/California/CA_SoCal_Motorcyclist_Killed_431271C.shtml Hope it was worth killing him over.

wjz.com/local/crash.stolen.car.2.1118965.html New cop tactic - just deny that you were chasing them. Do you believe a cop task force would "recognize" a stolen car then not chase it? Please.

Seems the most common fatality is the poor soul just in the wrong place. One has to ask themselves if catching one person is worth the death they cause as a result. For me, the answer is a resounding no. I think I would rather see every car in town stolen (including mine) rather than see some 20-something father that's delivering pizzas on a bicycle killed by cops trying to catch the car/thief.

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no question about it.

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I asked a Highway patrolman in Iowa about high speed cases. He says when he tries to pull someone over, it is rare for them to take off and create a high speed case. It is usually the really bad criminals who speed away. If people knew there would be no pursuit, how many do you think would speed off instead of stopping when asked to stop? I would think it would create more possibilities for accidents. It is unfortunate that accidents happen but I really think in most cases, the guys who do not stop when told to are the bad guys who are either drunk, on drugs, committed a crime, have no license, no insurance, are driving a hi-jacked or stolen car, have committed a murder or robbery or some other awful crime, etc. They know they are facing more jail time or even a life sentence so it is worth it for them to try to elude police. Don't you think there would be more high speed chases if they knew they could get away with it? Have you ever had a bad experience with a police officer? Some are not good just like the whole human race has its portion of unfair or bad people.

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I forgot to add that in big cities where the chases are more dangerous, the police dept. is using helecopters to follow the bad guys. I think more of this type of "chase" is what is needed. The rural areas don't have helecopters and they would need help from some bigger police dept. I bet some new ideas on how to handle this problem will be devised.

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Aug 10, 2009 11:21:16 GMT -6 hasset said:

I asked a Highway patrolman in Iowa about high speed cases. He says when he tries to pull someone over, it is rare for them to take off and create a high speed case. It is usually the really bad criminals who speed away. If people knew there would be no pursuit, how many do you think would speed off instead of stopping when asked to stop? I would think it would create more possibilities for accidents. It is unfortunate that accidents happen but I really think in most cases, the guys who do not stop when told to are the bad guys who are either drunk, on drugs, committed a crime, have no license, no insurance, are driving a hi-jacked or stolen car, have committed a murder or robbery or some other awful crime, etc. They know they are facing more jail time or even a life sentence so it is worth it for them to try to elude police. Don't you think there would be more high speed chases if they knew they could get away with it? Have you ever had a bad experience with a police officer? Some are not good just like the whole human race has its portion of unfair or bad people.

That is simply not true.
It's kool-aid propaganda from a cop.

According to the USDOJ

1)83% of all chases originate from a non-violent crime or a traffic stop.
2)40% of chases where there is capture ended as a result of an accident involving a death or serious injury to a 3rd party
3)45% of all chases involving motorcycles end with the MC getting away. Further, 93% of all chases involving a motorcycle originated from a traffic stop.
4)20% of all chases end with the death on a non-involved party.

a NHTSA report stated a non-involved 3rd party is killed in a police pursuit every .75 day. Hmmm, one every 3/4 of a day to pursue a group who was 83% non violent. Makes a load of sense, wonder if the survivors of those people would agree?

Would you still think that chase was such a good idea if you had a family member killed in that oh-so-needed capture of a speeder? If you If you would not sacrifice a family member to that cause, you can not support a policy that imposes that penalty on someone else.

Helos aren't fast enough to follow performance cars, or most sport bikes... but again, why? more than 8 out of 10 are being stopped for a non-violent crime, or as a result of traffic stop.

Jurisdictions, and nations with a no hot pursuit law don't have significantly higher crime.

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I must have been watching too many Cops, Highway Patrol and FBI programs. I wonder if the highway patrolman I spoke with does not have trouble with chases because his area is southern Iowa where the population is low.

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I gotta learn to proof read my posts.

Sorry I came off sounding like a jerk, Must have been the lack of coffee, in any case, put on some rose glasses before reading that last one. It was not intentional, nor aimed your way.

I see today they are admitting that the chase that killed the 5 kids started with a traffic violation. Originally they said the car was known stolen, but today they say it rolled a stop sign, and that was the reason for the chase. No one knew about the stolen until after the accident.

I head about another fatal chase last night the blurb said it began as a traffic stop, bloody little online about it... yet.

Cops never shows the ones the cops didn't catch them. Man, I hate that show.